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Impairment in nci and inter company dealings

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  • This topic has 10 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • October 23, 2014 at 9:09 pm #205700
    rameez13031988
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    In a question in bpp the nci share of impairment was deducted from the W4B of NCI for p and l this seems correct but I didnt saw this impairment adj in your solutions or may b i have that question?

    Inter company:
    Question extracts…
    Port has many investments, but before 20X4 none of these investments meet the criteria for consolidation as a subsidiary. One of these older investments was a $2.3m 12% loan to Alferd which was made in 20W1 and is due to be repaid until 20Y6
    INCOME STATEMENT FOR Y/E 31st DEC 20X4 $’000. $’000
    Port. Alfred
    Interset on loan to Alferd 276 —
    Finance cost — 276

    STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL at 31st DEC 20X4
    Assets
    NCA
    Loan to Alfred 2300
    Loan from Port. 2300

    Plz give me the treatment in consolidated Income Statement and consolidated financial position and also explain it plzzz thanks in advance…

    October 24, 2014 at 8:27 am #205787
    MikeLittle
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    What consolidated statements? You say that there are no subsidiaries. So why am I consolidating? And what am I consolidating?

    October 27, 2014 at 7:11 pm #206285
    rameez13031988
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    Sorry for that confusion now i have repharsed the question

    Port Acquired Alferd on 1st Nov 20X4 and
    a $2.3m 12% loan to Alferd which was made by Port in 20W1 and is due to be repaid until 20Y6
    INCOME STATEMENT FOR Y/E 31st DEC 20X4
    Port(Parent). Alfred(subsidiary)
    Interest received and recognized from Alferd 276
    Finance cost charged by Alferd 276

    STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL at 31st DEC 20X4
    Assets
    NCA
    Loan to Alfred 2300
    Loan from Port. 2300

    Plz give me the treatment in consolidated Income Statement and also explain it plzzz thanks in advance…

    October 28, 2014 at 7:57 am #206341
    MikeLittle
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    It seems from your post that Alfred has been a subsidiary for only 2 months of the year. So time apportionment will apply to the Alfred figures when preparing the consolidated profit or loss account.

    10 / 12 of the interest ($230) from Alfred will be included by Port as loan interest received.

    2 / 12 of that interest ($46) will be cancelled against the time-apportioned Alfred results that show loan interest paid of $46 ($276 time apportioned)

    Is that ok?

    October 28, 2014 at 11:39 am #206385
    rameez13031988
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    ok thanks and about this…

    In a question in bpp the nci share of impairment was deducted from the W4B of NCI for p and l this seems correct but I didnt saw this impairment adj in your solutions or may b i have that question?

    October 28, 2014 at 12:08 pm #206390
    MikeLittle
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    nci doesn’t appear in the profit or loss! In my working W4B, the nci is interested in their share of this year’s subsidiary profit after tax. There is no goodwill impairment in the subsidiary’s profit or loss account so the allocation of the goodwill impairment to the nci is via changes in equity. But changes in equity will not be asked in a consolidation question in F7

    November 24, 2015 at 8:18 pm #284990
    MikeLittle
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    Because it was only the post-acquisition element that features in the consolidation calculations. It’s only the 46 post acquisition that needs to be cancelled out because before that the two entities were unrelated

    OK?

    February 10, 2017 at 8:56 am #371841
    hemraj123
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    Sir, in this question, the profit for the year of subsidiary is 96.

    Do we need to adjust for the intra group loan interest in the profit of the subsidiary?

    February 10, 2017 at 9:14 am #371842
    MikeLittle
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    In so far as a statement of financial position is concerned, the cancellation of loan interest paid and received within the group is relevant only to the extent that there are amounts outstanding at the year end and included within liabilities and assets

    For a statement of profit or loss question, the expense of intra-group interest and the corresponding income of intra-group interest is cancelled and thus, if there is no other loan interest payable or receivable from outside the group, there is no line item in the consolidated statement of profit or loss neither for the expense nor for the income

    But this exercise of cancellation is purely for presentation purposes. The figure for the subsidiary’s results is not adjusted

    How long did it take you to locate this thread? The last post on this was 15 months ago! In future it would be a big time-saving for you simply to open a new thread with an appropriate heading!

    OK?

    February 10, 2017 at 9:17 am #371843
    hemraj123
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    Yes. Thanks a lot sir 🙂

    February 10, 2017 at 11:30 am #371851
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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