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High a Low technique question

Forums › Ask ACCA Tutor Forums › Ask the Tutor ACCA MA – FIA FMA › High a Low technique question

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  • September 1, 2014 at 11:46 pm #193247
    gabbi08
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    Hello

    Just went through the below question taken from BPP exam kit.

    The following cost shows the total overhead costs for given levels of a company’s total output.

    Cost Output
    $ Units

    4,000 1,000
    7,000 2,000
    10,000 3,000
    9,500 4,000

    A step up in fixed costs of $500 occurs at an output level of 3,500 units
    What would be the variable overhead cost per unit using the high-low tecnique?

    a) $1.67 per unit
    b) $ 1.83 per unit
    c) $ 2.75 per unit
    d) $ 3,00 per unit

    My answer was C (2,75)
    Working

    HIgh 3,000 10,000
    Low 1,000 4,000

    Less Step cost (500)

    = 2,000 5,500

    5,500/2000= $2.75

    … but unfortunately it is wrong…

    the correct solution is

    $9,500-$4,000-$500=$5000
    $5000/(4000-1000) = $1,67

    My mistake was commented as some confusion between the independent variable, output and the independent variable cost.

    My question is: what is the independent variable output and independent variable cost?

    Could you please help me to understand?

    Thanks

    Gabbi

    September 2, 2014 at 7:42 am #193263
    John Moffat
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    You don’t actually need to use the words dependent and independent variable.
    However what it means is that here the cost depends on the output (you would obviously overall expect that a higher output would mean a higher cost). So cost is the dependent variable and output is the independent one.

    When doing high/low we take the highest and lowest of the independent variable (i.e. in this question, the output).

    September 2, 2014 at 9:14 am #193276
    gabbi08
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    Thank you very much.

    Gabbi

    September 2, 2014 at 9:23 am #193280
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome 🙂

    September 19, 2015 at 6:23 am #272423
    gussy
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    Hello.
    I am still confused about this question..
    I am using the Kaplan Complete text and that is not how they compute the variable cost per unit after a step-up in fixed cost..

    I calculated the V.C per unit before the stepup (10,000 – 4,000) / (3,000 – 1,000) = 3
    therefore fixed cost before stepup was (using 1000 units) FC = 4000 – (3*1000) = 1000

    That will make FC after the stepup = 1000 + 500 = 1500
    And using 4000 units, the variable cost per unit is now = (9500 – 1500 ) / 4000 = 2

    Please explain how the calculation is wrong.. Thanking you in advanced 🙂

    September 19, 2015 at 7:11 am #272424
    gussy
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    Oooooh now I get it! The question is not asking for the “new” V.C per unit.. That is how I interpreted the question.. I thought that the VC per unit also changed after the stepup..

    It should assumed that V.C per unit is constant throughout…

    Thank you very much!! 😀

    September 19, 2015 at 7:55 am #272430
    John Moffat
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    I am pleased that you sorted yourself out 🙂

    (Incidentally, if you watch our free lectures they are a complete course for F2 and go through everything you need to pass the exam well. Then the only book you need spend time on is the Exam/Revision Kit because practice at exam standard questions is vital)

    September 19, 2015 at 10:12 am #272474
    gussy
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    Ok.. Thank you for the advice!! 🙂

    September 19, 2015 at 1:34 pm #272486
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome 🙂

    October 5, 2015 at 6:33 am #274976
    ejaz89
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    Can anyone solve this

    Where variable cost changes after a certain activity

    Units Cost
    12000 64000
    18500 84000

    Variable cost per unit decreases by $0.5 when activity level exceed 15000 units.Total cost of 20000 units would be :

    October 5, 2015 at 6:38 am #274977
    ejaz89
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    the answer of above Q is 90000

    I don’t know y

    October 5, 2015 at 7:41 am #274987
    John Moffat
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    Best is to use a bit of algebra. If the fixed cost is F, and the variable cost below 15,000 units is V, then:

    64000 = F + 12000V

    84000 = F + 18500 (V – 0.5) = F + 18500V – 9250
    adding 9250 to both sides gives:
    93250 = F + 18500V

    If you subtract the first equation from this equation, you get:

    29250 = 0 + 6500V

    So V = 29250/6500 = 4.50

    This is the variable cost for below 15000 units, so for more than 15000 units it is 0.50 lower and is therefore $4 per unit.

    We know that for 18500 units the cost is $84,000.
    20,000 units is 1,500 units more, and so the cost will be higher by 1,500 x $4 = 6,000

    Therefore the cost for 20,000 units = 84,000+6,000 = $90,000

    October 6, 2015 at 11:43 pm #275276
    hanakim2013
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    Dear Mr.John

    In this case, the variable cost is different from each level of activity, so why we can use high low method for all levels. Does it still make sense? And, why the note also not mentioned this point. Thanks in advance!

    October 7, 2015 at 8:33 am #275317
    John Moffat
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    The variable cost only changes at one level.

    The note does not cover it because there are all sorts of little tricks there can be, but the technique is always the same. Little tricks are there to check you understand and that you are not simply learning rules (and knowledge of simple algebra is assumed in all ACCA exams).

    There is a similar sort of trick in one or two of the test questions at the end of the chapter (and of course it is mentioned in the lecture – there is no point in using the notes without the lectures because they are simply lecture notes.)

    October 7, 2015 at 10:50 pm #275474
    hanakim2013
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    @johnmoffat said:
    You don’t actually need to use the words dependent and independent variable.
    However what it means is that here the cost depends on the output (you would obviously overall expect that a higher output would mean a higher cost). So cost is the dependent variable and output is the independent one.

    When doing high/low we take the highest and lowest of the independent variable (i.e. in this question, the output).

    Thanks alot for your time, but i still could not clear about high low method and please help me to understand. In the quote, you concluded that when doing this method, taking the lowest and highest of the independent variable (the output). However, when i use another way to solve the question, i found the different answer. Here is my answer:
    * First, i canculate the variable cost per unit before the stepup, v = (10000-4000)/(3000-2000) = 3
    * From that, i have the fix cost , F = 10000
    * From that, i have the fix cost after stepup, F’ = 1000 +500=1500
    * And, now i could canculate the variable cost for all level of output
    output $
    1000 3000 (=1000×3)
    2000 6000
    3000 9000
    4000 8000 (9500-1500)
    _________________
    10000 26000
    So, the variable cost per unit is the average one, v = 26000/10000=2.6
    Unfortunately, my result dose not match with any answer. Please, let me know there is problem with my canculation, and also give me more explanation about your above mentioned conclusion about high low method. Thanks very much!

    October 8, 2015 at 9:04 am #275495
    John Moffat
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    But you don’t do it another way – you take the highest and lowest output (not the highest and lowest costs) and we certainly don’t start taking averages!

    You really need to watch the free lecture on this where the method is explained in detail – I can’t type out the whole lecture here 🙂

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