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  • December 3, 2013 at 11:44 am #149461
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    December 3, 2013 at 3:06 pm #149733
    sriram_ks15
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    Guys… anybody wants to discuss the answers..?

    December 3, 2013 at 3:18 pm #149741
    Anonymous
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    time management 🙁

    December 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm #149769
    arsalanullah
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    I do not remeber cost of equity but my WACC was 9%

    December 3, 2013 at 5:01 pm #149778
    sriram_ks15
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    thefutures price and the spot price had a large basis difference… that put me off a lil bit…

    December 3, 2013 at 5:01 pm #149731
    Anonymous
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    Had it possible to complete first question?

    December 3, 2013 at 5:01 pm #149772
    lakeside
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    My weighted asset beta was about 1 (0.99), Geared Beta was 1.45. Cost of equity was about over 10.7% (please dont quote me, i think it was that, i cant remember now but i think so)

    WACC was then about 9% because we are told FCF to Firm not FCF to Equity (FCFE) so discount factor should be WACC.

    This is just what i think it should be. Even if you didn’t get the WACC, I am told we will still get marks for our thought process.

    I hope/pray we make it . Good-luck to us all.

    Thanks

    December 3, 2013 at 5:01 pm #149786
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    How did you guys go about part b & c for q3?
    b) Implication for Share holders of parent company (M Co) for 50% premium as compared to 30%
    c) Otherwise additional cash that was required and how could the parent company arrange it?

    Btw Weighted average was on MK of shares right, I think we can work it out again:
    Shares of M (Parent Company) 210 Million, Price/Share= 5.8
    Shares of S (Target Company) 200 million, Prince/share= 2.4
    Be was same = 1.2
    M’s Ba was 0.9 & S’s Ba was 1.2.

    Risk Free Rate was 4% & Market Risk Premium was 9%.
    Now, since we are given the PREMIUM we wont deduct RFR right? 4+ 9*Be for Ke
    Kd was 4.55%

    I think we can work out WACC…

    December 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm #149770
    Paul
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    Yes Time management was as ever a problem. I answered q2 and q3 first and then I was only left with 1 hour and 15 minutes for question 1. This paper was fair though and better then the June paper. Hopefully this time I have passed, feeling confident. I believe I got 9% for the WACC on Q3 also. The cost of equity may have been 10.4% but as it was a cashflow to firm you then had to WACC it once you did this then you came to 9%.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm #149756
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    The first question was too long, too many variables to compute and the time was too short. Spent too much time trying to attempt question 1. Question 2 , i got it mixed up. I know we had to both strike prices of 94.50 and 95.00 ( so means 2 calculations), but with interest rate going to be up or down by 0.09% against the bank offer rate,made me to think does that mean 4 different answers? I did 4 answers as i could. Question 3, got a WACC of 9% (hope it is correct).

    Honestly, the paper was too long for 3 hours. U needed an extra hour. But I hope I make it.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:04 pm #149766
    okey24
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    Hi, lakeside!
    How do you arrive at 9% in q3?
    I ve calculated weighted average asset beta of 1. Then regear to equity beta of 1.6 (if I am not mistaken). Cost of equity then appeared to be 10,4%. Anyone?)

    December 3, 2013 at 5:04 pm #149751
    leemce
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    Yeah.. Agree the first question was sooooo long took me 2 hours to.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm #149750
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    The first question was about foreign investment and real option.(It took 2 hours 🙁 )

    The second was about hedging FRA, futures and futures. Delta hedging.

    The third was about acquiring company. Acquisition 3.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:06 pm #149749
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    I thought it was a fair enough paper…I agree, it was just the time management I got stuck on. Took too long on question 1, ok for q 2 and then rushed through question 3.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm #149760
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    Hope I could get 10marks for Q3…

    December 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm #149734
    sriram_ks15
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    I tought that the second question had some snag somewhere?? (or did i miss something?)

    December 3, 2013 at 5:08 pm #149810
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    i got 10.4 wacc in question 3 also

    December 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm #149815
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    for the 1st question – what was your answer for the business risk ? also was there put or call option? what was your Pa = is it NPV of the project at year 2?

    December 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm #149816
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    first question was easy wat u think guyz ? if u do the article there were not many adjustment there apart for inflation and we have to adjust the rate spot rate through the formula?

    December 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm #149817
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    what were the benefits and drawbacks for WTO in 1st question?

    December 3, 2013 at 5:13 pm #149819
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    it was put option as we were selling the investment pe was offer 28 m and pa was pv of clasflows and rest is given risk free we take as rate on debt and 0.35 votality is given year 2

    December 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm #149822
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    yes i wanted to question 1 and 3 pleae tell question 2 i made a mess because of time mangement

    December 3, 2013 at 5:15 pm #149824
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    A very fair paper!! Much better than past exams questions that I have seen. The pass rate for this paper should be the best I guess. Yes it was time pressured, but I guess with rigorous question practice that shouldn’t be a problem. Time and again ACCA and training providers have reiterated the need to practice questions in exam time. I wasn’t that well prepared though and don’t think will clear but am happy about the fairness of the exam.

    December 3, 2013 at 5:15 pm #149825
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    Oh well. Not feeling very positive about P4.
    Forgot to add the nrv of land & buildings on the cash flow, but added it back in at the end.
    I wasn’t sure if I should include a 5% rebate for the tax agreement in $. Left it out and stated assumption that no other overseas revenue to net off against.
    Think npv ended up over $30m (with adj for l&b).
    Also think I messed up the exch rates as used 72 as year 1 in PPP calc then decided that I needed a year 0 in npv so used 72 for year 0 and year 1. Stated that I considered purchase of machinery to occur at the end of the year and didn’t have indication of when NOW is and when production would begin.
    Black Scholes – must’ve done something wrong as I came up with a negative answer!
    Explained that it would be a poor decision to make as npv of project up to the 2 years concerned was not enough to justify sale.
    Took 2 hours also!!
    Q2 was a toughie after all that and my head was so messed up I couldn’t think straight.
    Couldn’t even really think of the delta answer.
    So I worked out what I could – contract no etc guessed at closing futures price and gave 2 outcomes based on up/down base rate!!
    Q3 was a mind screw again. Combined co valuation came out lower than the 2 market values added together!
    Got 0.9 for weighted beta, then 1.5 for geared beta then 21% Ke. Wacc came out at 14.? So used 14%
    Wrote down that shareholders won’t be happy with higher premium as it devalues their shareholding.
    If I pass this I will track down the examiner and kiss him !!!

    December 3, 2013 at 5:17 pm #149827
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    2nd question if it was related to borrowing than he gave than question will becom very easy than i would pass iwth good parks somehow now hangin between 55 to 50

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