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PM Chapter 12 Questions Quantitative analysis in budgeting

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  1. Jstudent says

    May 27, 2023 at 10:58 am

    100% this time πŸ™‚ Thank you for these lectures. It’s really helpful to have the background explained rather than just reading from my textbook!

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    • John Moffat says

      May 27, 2023 at 4:38 pm

      Thank you for your comment πŸ™‚

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  2. adaacca says

    January 7, 2023 at 1:50 pm

    QN 3. High Low methods;

    UNITS COST

    High 22,080 960,000
    Low 19,200 883,200

    But, Sir! You used lowest cost as 885,120 why?

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    • John Moffat says

      January 7, 2023 at 4:33 pm

      We use the highest and lowest number of units, as explained in the lectures.

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      • Somtee says

        February 26, 2023 at 4:50 pm

        You said in the lectures that we use “the highest and lowest” dependent variable, which is why I used High: 22,080 (units) 960,000 (total overheads)
        Low: 20,160 (units) 883,200 (total overheads).

        So how exactly do we determine the High and Low? Dependent or independent variable?

  3. kvz911 says

    September 15, 2022 at 6:10 pm

    Sir, Why do we have a CVP question in number 4? I understood all !! Great test !!

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    • John Moffat says

      September 16, 2022 at 8:16 am

      Well questions in the real exam are on everything in no particular order πŸ™‚

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      • kvz911 says

        September 23, 2022 at 7:13 pm

        Sir In question 1,

        We could have solves the same problem by:

        r x 18 x 2 = 18+10

        r = 28/36
        = 78% ( Ans) right?

      • John Moffat says

        September 24, 2022 at 8:37 am

        Yes, but that is exactly the same as what is written in the solution!

  4. 2dop says

    May 26, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    Hi Sir,

    For question number 5, I think, budget preparation is faster for Bottom up approach because each manager makes their own budget, and the specialization makes it faster rather than the top management making the budget for all the junior managers. On the other hand, in bottom up approach there is a risk of budget padding hence the information input is accurate. Am I wrong to think this way?

    Thank you.

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    • John Moffat says

      May 27, 2022 at 8:13 am

      Bottom up is not likely to be faster, because it takes time for each manager to prepare their own budgets and then for the person in overall charge to make sure that they ‘fit’ together. Top down is likely to be faster because all the budgets are prepared centrally.

      There is a risk of budget padding and it it up to the person in overall charge to try and remove this. However the individual managers have more knowledge of what happens in their department and therefore portantially the information input will be more accurate.

      Have you watched my free lectures on all of this?

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      • 2dop says

        May 30, 2022 at 7:09 am

        Thank you sir, I get it now. Just wanted clarity on my thought process. And yes, I have watched your free lectures and are really helpful.

      • John Moffat says

        May 30, 2022 at 8:23 am

        You are welcome πŸ™‚

  5. hermela says

    March 13, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    thank u sir after i watch ur lecture i get 100% but i have still doubt on number 4 question, on statment 1 i cant get what it want to say

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    • John Moffat says

      March 14, 2022 at 6:11 am

      It refers to a profit volume chart, but says that it shows the contribution. A profit volume chart is showing the profit, not the contribution.

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  6. marni28 says

    November 24, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    Dear All,

    can you help with this one as I find is tricky:

    90% learning curve applicable, the time taken for first unit- 7 hours

    What is the total time taken in hours for unit 5 to 8?

    a) 17.078
    b) 18.144
    c) 19.590
    d) 20.142

    would much appreciate your help

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    • John Moffat says

      November 24, 2019 at 3:26 pm

      You must ask this kind of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum and not as a comment on a test.

      (I do assume that you have watched the free lectures on learning curves?)

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    • tek77 says

      May 12, 2020 at 5:56 pm

      I got 18.144 which is option B i did this by using the formula for each of 4 5 and 6 7 8 units, subtracted them accordingly to get the hours for the 4th,5th,6th,7th and 8th individually and summed them up. I see no other way.

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      • cadhakan says

        November 2, 2020 at 6:21 pm

        Hi tek77,

        Can you please explain me also I am trying to get answer but am not able to get it. Can you please give me solution how u get that answer.
        Thanks in advance

    • poddubny says

      November 20, 2021 at 8:21 pm

      Hi Marni28,
      I assume you already got the answer, but for those who didn’t get it, please find my calculation below:
      you can apply the doubling method.
      a. identify how much hours there will be spent in order to produce:
      1 unit ___7 hours (average)_____7 hours (total)
      2 unit ___(7*0.9)=6.3 (average__(6.3*2)=12.6 (total) (power: 2^1)
      4 unit ___(6.3*0.9)=5.67 (avrg)__(5.67*4)=22.68 (total) – (power: 2^2)
      8 unit ___(5.67*0.9)=5.103 (avrg)_(5.103*8)=40.824 (total) – (power: 2^3)

      b. subtract total time producing 4 units (22.68) from the total time spent on 8 units (40.824) = 18.144 – this is your answer.

      you could also apply a faster way of calculating: y=axr^(power_)
      a. 8 units = 7*8*0.9^3 = 40.824
      b. 4 units = 7*4*0.9^2 = 22.68
      c. subtract a-b= 18.144 – this is your answer.

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  7. briandean2002 says

    July 17, 2017 at 2:52 am

    Q1 is very confusing, I got 56% as the answer.

    Allow me to rewrite the question to illustrate my point.

    A company is intending to produce a new product.
    They have produced one test unit which took 18 hours. The learning curve is 56%

    How many hours will the second product take to product (to the nearest hour)?
    A: 5 hours
    B: 3 hours
    C: 14 hours
    D: 10 hours (correct answer)

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    • John Moffat says

      July 17, 2017 at 8:31 am

      What you have written is wrong!

      The doubling rule applies to the average time per unit.
      If the first takes 18 hours and the second takes 10 hours, then the average time per unit is (18 + 10)/2 = 14 hours.

      Using the doubling rule, if the learning rate is r, then the average time per unit if 2 are made = 18 x r = 14. So r = 0.78 (or 78%)

      If the learning rate was 56% then the average time per unit if 2 were made would be 18 x 0.56 = 10 hours. This is NOT the time for the second unit, but the average time per unit is we make 2. So the total time for 2 units is 2 x 10 = 20 hours.
      Since the first unit took 18 hours, the time for the second = 20 – 18 = 2 hours.

      I do suggest that you watch the free lectures on this.

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      • briandean2002 says

        July 18, 2017 at 1:47 am

        Thank you!

        I understand it now.

      • hitsui says

        November 25, 2018 at 10:40 am

        Sir, so if we are asked about more than 2 units for example 4 or 8, we’ll do it the same way you just did right?

    • John Moffat says

      July 18, 2017 at 7:43 am

      You are welcome πŸ™‚

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  8. blgl says

    June 26, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Q2?sir?I don’t understand the0.8^3
    why is it 3?
    thanks!

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    • John Moffat says

      June 26, 2017 at 3:50 pm

      Because to make 8 in total means doubling 3 times.

      Have you not watched the free lectures on this?

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      • marghe says

        November 11, 2018 at 12:22 pm

        Sir,I am confused as well by Q2
        If you need to calculate the time for 7 units you need to take the time for 8 and then subtract the hrs spent for the first right?

        So

        1 unit 42 hrs
        2 units average 33.6
        4 units average 26.88
        6 units average 21.504
        8 units average 17.20

        I thought I should calculate average 17.20*8units= 137.26 hrs and then take off 42 hrs = 95.62 hrs
        Please can you explain again exactly why you multiplied by ^3

        Thanks

      • John Moffat says

        November 11, 2018 at 7:41 pm

        Your table is wrong. When using the doubling rule, it is 1 unit, then 2 units, then 4 units, then 8 units. You cannot get 6 units by doubling.

        Because it is doubling 3 times (1 to 2; 2 to 4; 4 to 8) you can set up a table as you have done, or (faster) take 42 to the power of 3. (^3 is the standard way of typing ‘to the power of 3’)

        Did you not watch the free lectures before attempting the test?

      • marghe says

        November 17, 2018 at 3:47 pm

        Yes I watched them but still I was multiplying by 2 instead of doubling ! My bad, dumb mistake thanks for taking time to explain πŸ™‚

      • John Moffat says

        November 17, 2018 at 5:04 pm

        No problem πŸ™‚

      • Dumbest says

        January 31, 2022 at 5:33 am

        thanks a lot sir
        to this question 2 i thought l could :
        calculate the cumulative average time of first seven units and make the total by multiplying by seven .
        calculate cumulative average time of first 6 units and make a total by multiplying by 6
        and then finally l make difference between total of seven units and six units to find the taken to make seven unit
        thank you

      • John Moffat says

        January 31, 2022 at 7:38 am

        What you are doing would give the time for the 7th unit, but that is not what the question is asking for. It asks for the total time for the next 7 units (which is the total time for 8 units less the time for the first unit).

  9. ali says

    February 18, 2017 at 11:48 am

    Activity level 800 units 1200 unit
    Total cost $16400 $23600

    The fixed cost of the business step up by 40 % at 900 units

    What is variable cost per unit

    A : $8.00
    B : $18
    c : $19.67
    d: $20:00

    sir this is the question about high low method from kaplan practice question i calculate variable cost $18 but answer saying its $8.
    is there anything i missing ?

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    • John Moffat says

      February 18, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      Kaplan’s answer is correct, but ask in the Ask the Tutor Forum and I will explain (not as a comment on a lecture).

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  10. raheelislam says

    February 7, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    sir for q1, the average time per unit for 2 units = (18 + 10) / 2 = 14 hours so what i am getting it that for 2nd unit we require 14 hours that is average time and if there are 3 units so we divide it by 3 for average and the answer would give the average time required specifically for making 3rd unit..is i am right

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    • John Moffat says

      February 8, 2017 at 7:44 am

      No, you are not right.
      You need to watch my lectures on learning curves.

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      • preetierc says

        May 23, 2017 at 12:31 am

        That’s the tabular approach in in learning curve use only when production doubles. To solve the problem of calculating time for the 3rd or 5th unit u need to use the formula – y = axb (y is average time per unit to produce x units, a is time taken for the first unit, x is the total number of units and be is to the power: log the learning curve over log 2) of course u can use the formula on even number of units. I have tried it ?Hope this helps.

      • preetierc says

        May 23, 2017 at 12:37 am

        *That’s the tabular approach use in learning curve only when production doubles

      • John Moffat says

        May 23, 2017 at 8:31 am

        Which is as I explain in my free lectures. It is important to watch the lectures before attempting the tests.

  11. rcbudhu says

    January 31, 2017 at 2:37 am

    Referring to Question 3 in this practice questions,
    Using the highlow method sir I thought it was supposed to be 960000-883200 not 885120 that you use

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    • John Moffat says

      January 31, 2017 at 7:34 am

      No – you use the highest and lowest levels of production.

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      • preetierc says

        May 23, 2017 at 12:36 am

        Sir the cost for the lowest production shouldn’t be the lowest cost overall. Yes I have use the lowest and highest production levels but by right automatically the cost suppose to be the lowest and highest for the levels of production selected. However the lowest cost there is not under the lowest units produced. Rather it’s under the level of production of 20,160

      • John Moffat says

        May 23, 2017 at 8:32 am

        You should watch my free lectures on the high-low method. We use the costs for the highest and lowest production levels (regardless of whether or not they are the highest and lowest costs).

      • preetierc says

        May 24, 2017 at 7:03 pm

        Okay sir thank u. U are really doing a good job.

  12. jonathanforstudying says

    January 26, 2017 at 10:45 am

    Hi Sir, i don’t think question 4 is covered in the lecture right? i don’t remember learning it.

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    • jonathanforstudying says

      January 26, 2017 at 10:47 am

      ok i get it, it is from chapter 11 instead.

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      • John Moffat says

        January 26, 2017 at 1:36 pm

        I am glad you have got it πŸ™‚

      • jonathanforstudying says

        January 27, 2017 at 6:16 am

        Thank you Sir

      • John Moffat says

        January 27, 2017 at 7:33 am

        You are welcome πŸ™‚

  13. ogunseye says

    January 13, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    Using the highlow method sir I thought it was supposed to be 960000-883200 not 885120 that you used.

    Or am I getting this wrong sir?

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    • John Moffat says

      January 13, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      Which question are you referring to?

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      • khadijaali says

        February 2, 2018 at 7:04 am

        Q3 sir I believe the lowest vc is $ 883,200 not $ 885,120

        Please explain further

        Thanks

        Khadija

      • John Moffat says

        February 2, 2018 at 7:59 am

        We use the highest and lowest of the independent variable, which is units in order to decide which months to use.

        The answer is correct, and do watch the free lecture on this.

  14. aamir2111 says

    March 14, 2016 at 9:44 am

    isn’t the question 3 in practical questions of quantitative analysis of budgeting actually from CVP?

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    • John Moffat says

      March 14, 2016 at 12:33 pm

      No – it is testing the high-low method (which is covered in our lectures on quantitative analysis).

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      • aamir2111 says

        March 14, 2016 at 6:40 pm

        Thanks.

      • aamir2111 says

        March 14, 2016 at 6:42 pm

        And what about question 4? Multi product profit volume charts?

  15. ckinnrossli says

    March 8, 2016 at 12:44 am

    sir, why 0.8^3? i didn’t get where is 3 comes from.

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    • John Moffat says

      March 8, 2016 at 7:28 am

      Because 8 involves doubling 3 times.
      I do suggest that you watch the free lecture, which explains the doubling rule and works through an almost identical example.
      (You should not attempt the tests unless you have watched the relevant lecture first πŸ™‚ )

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  16. ali imran says

    December 6, 2015 at 8:59 am

    In Q.2 by solving Y = axb formula we get :42*7^-.321928=22.448. But this is wrong. plz identify my mistake.
    Thank you.

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    • John Moffat says

      December 6, 2015 at 2:08 pm

      What you are calculating is the time for the first 7, which is not what is asked for.

      The have already made 1, and so another 7 means a total of 8. The only way you can do it is to calculate the time for the first 8 and subtract the time for the first.
      By all means use the formula, but it is faster to use the doubling rule (especially since you are not given a value for b – it is always given in the exam if you need to use the formula), and, of course, you need to be able to use the doubling rule anyway because you can be specifically tested on it.

      I do suggest that you watch our free lectures on learning curves where all of the above is explained, with examples.
      (Our lectures are a complete course for Paper F5 and cover everything you need to be able to pass the exam well)

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      • ali imran says

        December 6, 2015 at 2:53 pm

        Ok,
        got it,
        Thanks.

      • John Moffat says

        December 6, 2015 at 3:34 pm

        Great πŸ™‚

  17. Renee says

    December 6, 2015 at 1:24 am

    Question 2 how was the decimal 0.83 arrived at?

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    • John Moffat says

      December 6, 2015 at 6:56 am

      Oops – it is a typing error.

      The average time per unit for 8 units = 42 x 0.80^3 = 21.504
      Everything else in the solution is fine.

      I will have it corrected.

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  18. jasmine says

    November 24, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    Hi Sir, the first took 18 hour and second took 10 hour , how calculate the learning rate?

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    • John Moffat says

      November 24, 2015 at 3:17 pm

      The average time per unit for 2 units = (18 + 10) / 2 = 14 hours

      Therefore the learning rate = 14/18 = 0.78 (or 78%)

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      • triplec says

        May 19, 2016 at 7:33 pm

        Mr.John,

        With regard to Q1, the second unit takes 10 hrs which means 18 * r^1. That gives r = 56%. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also, when we deduct 56% from 18, it gives 10 hours which is what it takes for the second unit.

        Thanks,

        Sathish

  19. mohsin1525 says

    November 22, 2015 at 6:58 am

    Sir kindly also update the calculations workings for arriving at a particular solution especially for the numerical

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    • John Moffat says

      November 22, 2015 at 9:51 am

      The current software does not allow for the calculations to be shown (which is why you should ask here if you have a problem and then I will explain).
      When we can afford to upgrade the software then the calculations will appear, but given that we provide all this free of charge there is obviously a limit as to what we can afford πŸ™‚ )

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  20. Steven says

    November 11, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Hi Sir, not sure I understood the question here – using high low wouldn’t you end up with a vc of 1.81 hence having a formula tc = fc + vc

    960000= Fc + 22080(1.81)?

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    • John Moffat says

      November 20, 2015 at 3:23 pm

      I don’t know where you got 1.81 from.

      Using high low, the variable cost = (960,000 – 885,120) / (22,080 – 19,200) = 26 per unit.

      (The Paper F2 free lectures on high-low will help you)

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      • maamaan says

        April 25, 2019 at 10:03 pm

        but the lowest of tatal overheads is 883200 not 885120 please recheck sir

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