In the notes related to Prepayments it says that the over-payment is recorded as prepayment and not as an account receivable. Why the comparison with an account receivable and not an account payable? Thank you.
If we have paid more than we should have then the person to who we paid it effectively owes us the money back. That is why it is like a receivable. However they don’t actually pay it back to us – we just pay less the following year, which is why we show it as a prepayment (but just like receivables it is a current asset).
Thank you sir for the great lecture I am a bit confused regarding Prepayments as current assets on SOFP, I assume the questions says Insurance companies owes money to us so thats why it is similar to account receivables but then why do we add it as an expense on SOPL, i mean why at SOFL it is not shown as liability
The prepayment itself is not an expense. Insurance is an expense and if we have paid in advance then the amount paid in advance is not an expense of this period and reduces the expense for this period.
Hello sir, Thanks greatly for your contributions for the service, opentuition – saves people from being left behind.
I have three questions for this lecture:
1) If insurance was paid on 5th Jan to 30 June, insurance would become effective from 5th Jan. So why did you write 1st Jan – 30 June for 800 ? It wouldn鈥檛 be an expense for the days before 5th Jan, ie 1st to 4th Jan.
2) After you credited $1000 in Insurance Account and referenced it as Prepayment. Then do we have to reference the balance $1800 as SOPL next to Balance Carried Down, or Balance B/Down ? In the previous lecture you did it next to Balance B/D. In this Lecture next to B/C.
3) For the first question extracts, can we just write the final answer down Expense – 1800 Prepayment – 1000. Or we need to insert and format all the headings .
1) The question specifically said that the payment was for the 6 months to 30 June. Just because the bill wasn’t paid until 5 January doesn’t automatically mean that the insurance would not be effective until then. (I am sometimes a few days late in paying my insurance but I have been with the same company for a long time and they don’t mind – the policy still gives cover for the whole period.) 2) The balance does not appear in the SOPL – it appears in the SOFP as an asset. There is no need to label it (and it is irrelevant for the exam since you cannot be asked to produce any t-accounts even though you are expected to understand the entries). 3) Again, it is not really relevant for the exam. The exam is on computer and involves filling in blanks and ticking the correct answer from several choices (as in our tests at the end of each chapter).
2) Yes indeed, 1000 Prepayment would go to SOFP. I was rather referring my question towards the 1800 next to which you wrote SOPL. Please kindly reply in relation to that.
Earlier you would close the balance to zero, by crediting it against the Balance B/D and putting the SOPL reference there. From this lecture onwards, you do not close down the balance to zero, and put the SOPL reference directly next to the Balance C/D.
So does this indicate there is no formal procedure, and we may carry out the T account structure according to our convenience how ever we see fit. Or we must only put the reference of SOPL account next to the Balance B/D thereby closing the expense Account. And here you were just in a hurry and thus did not complete the full procedure like in the previous lecture ?
I just want to know for general knowledge purposes.
Asif110 I think you’re confused! Watch the lecture again and try not to think too hard. John is a very good lecturer and explains things well. In my opinion, you’re being unfair!
I hope you are keeping safe. At the end of the lecture , to remove the prepayment , do you not debit the prepayment account instead of crediting it, and then debit the SOPL ?
@Umida says
thanks for the lecture!
are these videos (topics maybe) still applicable in 2023?
John Moffat says
Yes 馃檪
5327900ALLEN says
ve also got $858,600. hope its right, John?
John Moffat says
I don’t know which example you are referring to.
tshepsk22@gmail.com says
Refer to the notes. Chapter 4 example 1!
John Moffat says
Example 1 in Chapter 4 is worked through in the free lecture and there is obviously a printed answer in the free lecture notes as usual!
Maybe you should refer to the notes.
lolpy says
Hi, Sir
I just passed my FA exam with a 71% score thanks to your lectures and notes.
John Moffat says
That is great news. Many congratulations on passing (especially with such a good mark 馃檪 )
Chukwuedo2505 says
Congratulations
kakooza says
Thank u sir for the lesson but I am a bit confused , if the insurance paid next year is not half a year(6 months) how can we divide that
evelyn89 says
Hi, John!
In the notes related to Prepayments it says that the over-payment is recorded as prepayment and not as an account receivable. Why the comparison with an account receivable and not an account payable? Thank you.
Evelyn
John Moffat says
If we have paid more than we should have then the person to who we paid it effectively owes us the money back. That is why it is like a receivable. However they don’t actually pay it back to us – we just pay less the following year, which is why we show it as a prepayment (but just like receivables it is a current asset).
evelyn89 says
Thank you very much! Great lecture and learning experience!
sejazkhan says
Thank you sir for the great lecture
I am a bit confused regarding Prepayments as current assets on SOFP, I assume the questions says Insurance companies owes money to us so thats why it is similar to account receivables but then why do we add it as an expense on SOPL, i mean why at SOFL it is not shown as liability
John Moffat says
The prepayment itself is not an expense. Insurance is an expense and if we have paid in advance then the amount paid in advance is not an expense of this period and reduces the expense for this period.
Anthonia says
Great lecture. Thank you so much!
John Moffat says
Thank you for your comment 馃檪
Sanweyne says
Hi John, as I understood Insurance expense each year was 2,000 and divide by 6 month that month each month 1,000 so why 800 six month?
Asif110 says
Hello sir,
Thanks greatly for your contributions for the service, opentuition – saves people from being left behind.
I have three questions for this lecture:
1) If insurance was paid on 5th Jan to 30 June, insurance would become effective from 5th Jan. So why did you write 1st Jan – 30 June for 800 ? It wouldn鈥檛 be an expense for the days before 5th Jan, ie 1st to 4th Jan.
2) After you credited $1000 in Insurance Account and referenced it as Prepayment.
Then do we have to reference the balance $1800 as SOPL next to Balance Carried Down, or Balance B/Down ? In the previous lecture you did it next to Balance B/D. In this Lecture next to B/C.
3) For the first question extracts, can we just write the final answer down Expense – 1800 Prepayment – 1000. Or we need to insert and format all the headings .
Thankyou
John Moffat says
1) The question specifically said that the payment was for the 6 months to 30 June. Just because the bill wasn’t paid until 5 January doesn’t automatically mean that the insurance would not be effective until then. (I am sometimes a few days late in paying my insurance but I have been with the same company for a long time and they don’t mind – the policy still gives cover for the whole period.)
2) The balance does not appear in the SOPL – it appears in the SOFP as an asset. There is no need to label it (and it is irrelevant for the exam since you cannot be asked to produce any t-accounts even though you are expected to understand the entries).
3) Again, it is not really relevant for the exam. The exam is on computer and involves filling in blanks and ticking the correct answer from several choices (as in our tests at the end of each chapter).
Asif110 says
Thankyou sir
2) Yes indeed, 1000 Prepayment would go to SOFP. I was rather referring my question towards the 1800 next to which you wrote SOPL. Please kindly reply in relation to that.
Asif110 says
Earlier you would close the balance to zero, by crediting it against the Balance B/D and putting the SOPL reference there. From this lecture onwards, you do not close down the balance to zero, and put the SOPL reference directly next to the Balance C/D.
So does this indicate there is no formal procedure, and we may carry out the T account structure according to our convenience how ever we see fit. Or we must only put the reference of SOPL account next to the Balance B/D thereby closing the expense Account. And here you were just in a hurry and thus did not complete the full procedure like in the previous lecture ?
I just want to know for general knowledge purposes.
sbennett says
Asif110
I think you’re confused! Watch the lecture again and try not to think too hard. John is a very good lecturer and explains things well. In my opinion, you’re being unfair!
shazia786 says
lol
tkhue3296 says
1 day 1 small step,
10 years a big gap .
Thanks for today haha.
arahnsathananthan says
Hi John.
I hope you are keeping safe. At the end of the lecture , to remove the prepayment , do you not debit the prepayment account instead of crediting it, and then debit the SOPL ?
arahnsathananthan says
sorry i worked it out, my apologies !
abdimoge says
Thank you sir
John Moffat says
You are welcome 馃檪
kandiero says
Thank you John
rameez786 says
It鈥檚 Really helpful for me thanks a lot sir
mandana1366 says
Thank you so so much sir
It is very helpful
John Moffat says
You must ask this sort of question in the Ask the Tutor Forum, and not as a comment on a lecture.
babyflakes30 says
Need some help to understands accruals & prepayments fully.
question: A company received cash totalling 838600 during the year 31 December 2006.
figures for rent in advance and in arrears at the beginning and end of the year were:
31 December 2005 31 December 2006
Rent received in advance $102,600 $88,700
Rent in arrears (all subsequently received) $42,300 $48,400
What should appear in the company’s income statement for the year ended 31 December 2006 for rental income?
sbennett says
The question is incomplete. This question is answered by a participant in the Open Tuition website. Please follow the link below; https://opentuition.com/topic/prepayment/#post-553741
ahmadreshad1111 says
The correct answer is $858600 that should be included in statement of profit or loss.