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The Stages of an Audit – After Appointment – ACCA Audit and Assurance (AA)
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nicholamchughsays
Do you realise how beautiful a voice you have? Remarkably pleasant to listen to, I may continue to listen to these lectures after I have set my exam! 🙂
Hi Ken, Does The stages of Audit appointment overview diagram shows whole planning (not stage of action) for the audit and approaches for whether or not internal controls effective or ineffective ?
‘Rely’ is too strong. External auditors can review IA’s status, professionalism, planning, work and working papers then decide whether to place reliance on IA.
Just very simple but very confusing for me is something like, why we need to test control of the whole processes of cash payments and receipts procedure while we can simply check the bank statements and cash count at the end of period to verify the cash section.isn’t it? is that because of Fraud consideration which might happened during the year not at the balance? If so, audit opinion is still the same even though auditor found that there was fraud during the period, right?
please can you kindly confirm whether the benchmark percentages for materiality has really changes as i’m using the BPP textbook and i have a different percentages to what is in the lecture not
value % profit before tax 5 gross profit and revenue 1/2 – 1 total assets 1-2 net assets 2-5 profit after tax 5-10
hi, i still dont understand about the performance materiality. the 0.5% to 1% of revenue, 1 to 2% total assets, 5 to 10% of profit before tax. what does it indicate for? how do i apply it on exam questions? i did try apply many times, but get the wrong answer so i think i might understand it wrongly. pls reply. thank you 🙂
If revenue is $1m, then that implies a materiality level of 5,000 – 10,000 (0.5% to 1%). Similarly for the other measures.
If there are misstatements in the FS that exceed these amounts, then the misstatement is material and the FS would not show a true and fair view unless the errors are corrected. Note there is a range and this requires judgement to be applied by the audit partner. If the error in, say expenses was $15,000 this is above the upper part of the range and this would almost certainly be regarded as material.
If the error was only $3,000 this is immaterial in amount, but could still be material because of its nature. For example, there is not reason why directors’ emoluments or cash shouldn’t be accurate to the last cent.
Performance materiality is set at a lower level than the above materialities. This is because several errors of, say, $3,000 all in the same direction could easily add up to more than $10,000 if they were all in the same direction. Performance materiality means errors that should be regarded as material in the performance of the audit. So audit staff keep details of these errors and the partner then makes a judgement as to whether, taken separately and together, there are material errors in the FS.
If performance materiality had been set at $4,000, and there was one error of +$4,500 and another of -$4,300 recording revenue or expenses there is little net effect and the FS could still be T&F. If both errors were in the same direction the total error is $8,800, towards the upper end of the materiality range and the partner might conclude that this effect made the FS not show a T&F view.
thank you so much. i understand fully now. thank you
ludokeisays
Hello Mr. Gromit,
Could you please explain what is an error “in the same direction”? Also, what does the term direction means in the context of auditing, as we usually see it?
Think of 0.5% to 1% of revenue, 1 to 2% total assets, 5 to 10% of profit before tax as indicating that a misstatement is material.
Think of performance materiality as set lower than those figures to indicate which errors the partners wants to be told about. Several small errors could add up to a material effect.
You apply materiality in exam questions by working out the amounts according to 0.5% to 1% of revenue, 1 to 2% total assets, 5 to 10% of profit before tax. You will not have to estimate the lower performance materiality levels.
Continuous audits are usually technology driven so that computer programs report on ‘odd’ transactions etc. This tends to be used internally by the company and the internal audit department.
An interim audit is carried out by external auditors allowing them to bring forward audit work to part way theough the year. It is then that the accounting system can be documented and many of the tests of control can be carried out.
I don’t know where you live; some countries block videos. If you are accessing through a company’s system, some companies block videos. Otherwise our normal advice is to try a different browser, such as Chrome.
ISAs set the rules for auditing. You do not have to quote word-for-word, but you have to know what the rules are othewise your audit is being performed without any quality reference points.
When doing the exam, is it that you do not need to mention the ISAs at all or is it that you need to quote what the ISA says and not just state the ISA and the title?
nicholamchugh says
Do you realise how beautiful a voice you have? Remarkably pleasant to listen to, I may continue to listen to these lectures after I have set my exam! 🙂
belatris16 says
This lecturer is amazing! „Don’t use rubbish“ during your exam ?
shedywilkie says
How about subsequent events? Auditor Active & passive roles?
sunny20 says
Hi Ken,
Does The stages of Audit appointment overview diagram shows whole planning (not stage of action) for the audit and approaches for whether or not internal controls effective or ineffective ?
Many thanks in advance
Kim Smith says
If you are referring to the overview diagram at the beginning of Chapter 7 (and also 8) it summarises the main stages and the two approaches.
opeyemiogunjimi says
Sir,
can the external auditor rely on the Internal Auditor’s report for “testing of control”?
Ken Garrett says
‘Rely’ is too strong. External auditors can review IA’s status, professionalism, planning, work and working papers then decide whether to place reliance on IA.
SafelySouL says
Sir,
Just very simple but very confusing for me is something like, why we need to test control of the whole processes of cash payments and receipts procedure while we can simply check the bank statements and cash count at the end of period to verify the cash section.isn’t it? is that because of Fraud consideration which might happened during the year not at the balance? If so, audit opinion is still the same even though auditor found that there was fraud during the period, right?
Regards
bose12 says
Hello Sir,
please can you kindly confirm whether the benchmark percentages for materiality has really changes as i’m using the BPP textbook and i have a different percentages to what is in the lecture not
value %
profit before tax 5
gross profit and revenue 1/2 – 1
total assets 1-2
net assets 2-5
profit after tax 5-10
thank you
mehazia says
can anyone please confirm the benchmarks for the same.
george says
hi, i still dont understand about the performance materiality. the 0.5% to 1% of revenue, 1 to 2% total assets, 5 to 10% of profit before tax. what does it indicate for? how do i apply it on exam questions? i did try apply many times, but get the wrong answer so i think i might understand it wrongly. pls reply. thank you 🙂
George
Ken Garrett says
If revenue is $1m, then that implies a materiality level of 5,000 – 10,000 (0.5% to 1%). Similarly for the other measures.
If there are misstatements in the FS that exceed these amounts, then the misstatement is material and the FS would not show a true and fair view unless the errors are corrected. Note there is a range and this requires judgement to be applied by the audit partner. If the error in, say expenses was $15,000 this is above the upper part of the range and this would almost certainly be regarded as material.
If the error was only $3,000 this is immaterial in amount, but could still be material because of its nature. For example, there is not reason why directors’ emoluments or cash shouldn’t be accurate to the last cent.
Performance materiality is set at a lower level than the above materialities. This is because several errors of, say, $3,000 all in the same direction could easily add up to more than $10,000 if they were all in the same direction. Performance materiality means errors that should be regarded as material in the performance of the audit. So audit staff keep details of these errors and the partner then makes a judgement as to whether, taken separately and together, there are material errors in the FS.
If performance materiality had been set at $4,000, and there was one error of +$4,500 and another of -$4,300 recording revenue or expenses there is little net effect and the FS could still be T&F. If both errors were in the same direction the total error is $8,800, towards the upper end of the materiality range and the partner might conclude that this effect made the FS not show a T&F view.
george says
thank you so much. i understand fully now. thank you
ludokei says
Hello Mr. Gromit,
Could you please explain what is an error “in the same direction”? Also, what does the term direction means in the context of auditing, as we usually see it?
Nice and very useful videos, really.
Thank you in advance.
Ken Garrett says
Think of 0.5% to 1% of revenue, 1 to 2% total assets, 5 to 10% of profit before tax as indicating that a misstatement is material.
Think of performance materiality as set lower than those figures to indicate which errors the partners wants to be told about. Several small errors could add up to a material effect.
You apply materiality in exam questions by working out the amounts according to 0.5% to 1% of revenue, 1 to 2% total assets, 5 to 10% of profit before tax. You will not have to estimate the lower performance materiality levels.
koga00 says
Good morning sir
Is it possible to have an example using the materiality levels please?
Many thanks
ali144 says
Whether interim audit and continuous audit are same?or is there any difference between the two?
Ken Garrett says
Continuous audits are usually technology driven so that computer programs report on ‘odd’ transactions etc. This tends to be used internally by the company and the internal audit department.
An interim audit is carried out by external auditors allowing them to bring forward audit work to part way theough the year. It is then that the accounting system can be documented and many of the tests of control can be carried out.
hridoy565 says
the video is not play ?
Ken Garrett says
I don’t know where you live; some countries block videos. If you are accessing through a company’s system, some companies block videos. Otherwise our normal advice is to try a different browser, such as Chrome.
Ken Garrett says
ISAs set the rules for auditing. You do not have to quote word-for-word, but you have to know what the rules are othewise your audit is being performed without any quality reference points.
hunter23 says
Ok Thank you very much!
Ken Garrett says
THere are no marks for either quoting the ISA number or its title. You do need to know what it says.
hunter23 says
When doing the exam, is it that you do not need to mention the ISAs at all or is it that you need to quote what the ISA says and not just state the ISA and the title?
hunter23 says
I know that I should know what it says in general, but do I have to write that when answering a question?