Good Morning, direct controls are involved to prevent, detect and correct misstatements. But is it a management’s responsibility to prevent detect and correct misstatements? The auditor is not responsible for that. I probably have not catched something….. Thank you in advance
Does “bypass of controls” refer to ignoring the normal chain of command within the entity? In my experience of working in companies, in emergencies that chain of command isn’t usually ignored. Rather the control process gets abbreviated, eg with a quick phone call to a director who then gives verbal authority to proceed. If the company has a document that says “in emergencies please seek verbal approval to proceed from a director, to be followed up by written approval confirmation as soon as possible afterwards”, do we as auditors view that as a bypass of control?
The learning outcome is limitations (benefits should be self evident!) and this is covered on page 72 of our notes. Please use an appropriate forum to ask questions.
Hi. I am a bit confused about how internal audit can provide in internal control and risk management areas. If internal audit when looking at the internal controls it does not manage risks at the same time? Is there something additional it provides to the risk management area other than reveiwing internal controls and compliance with regulations?
Financial internal control is just one area of risk management. Aspects of business risk management would basically involve internal audit looking at all significant business risks (which are not examinable in AA) and whether management has controls in place to ensure that the risks that the business is taking on is in keeping with its risk appetite so the business is not exposed to risks that may cause it to fail. Internal audit does not IMPLEMENT policies and procedures but reviews, tests and monitors them – so will make recommendations to management/TCWG – but it will be up to management/TCWG to implement those recommendations.
The distinction is touched on on page 68 of the notes but is not important for exam purposes – only questionnaires in general are now examinable (rather than ICQs and ICEQs specifically).
If you are testing that a control such as monthly bank reconciliatilns is taking place, you have to recalculate/reperform at least one to ensure it is done correctly and that the control is effective.
At year end you would also reperform/recalculate the bank rec to give substantive evidence that the cash balance is correct.
Similarly, enquiry/confirmation, inspection and observation can all be used for tests of control anf for substantive tests. Analytical procedures can be used only for substantive tests.
Good Morning, I do not really understand the difference between reperformance and recalculate in practice. I think they are synonyms. If I reperform the bank reconciliation, I am recalculating it as well….no? Thanks
Hello, I am a bit confused about one part of the lecture. When you talk about recording and assessing the accounting system, it is the auditor who is supposed to do this, right? Or is it done by the client and then checked by the auditor?
The client might have notes and diagrams, but the auditor would use those only as a starting point. The system has to be independently verified by the auditor then tests of controls will let the auditor see whether or not the system is workingas it should.
Naava says
hi
Are these lectures okay for September 2023 exams
Kim Smith says
Yes
Anna1207 says
Thank you Sir for a fantastic lecture!
MohamedH says
Thank you Sir
Asif110 says
I find the notes depressing, but you uplifting again.
lfede09 says
Good Morning,
direct controls are involved to prevent, detect and correct misstatements. But is it a management’s responsibility to prevent detect and correct misstatements? The auditor is not responsible for that.
I probably have not catched something…..
Thank you in advance
James says
Does “bypass of controls” refer to ignoring the normal chain of command within the entity? In my experience of working in companies, in emergencies that chain of command isn’t usually ignored. Rather the control process gets abbreviated, eg with a quick phone call to a director who then gives verbal authority to proceed. If the company has a document that says “in emergencies please seek verbal approval to proceed from a director, to be followed up by written approval confirmation as soon as possible afterwards”, do we as auditors view that as a bypass of control?
AdeleH says
What are the benefits and limitations of internal control components?
Kim Smith says
The learning outcome is limitations (benefits should be self evident!) and this is covered on page 72 of our notes. Please use an appropriate forum to ask questions.
themis01 says
Hi. I am a bit confused about how internal audit can provide in internal control and risk management areas. If internal audit when looking at the internal controls it does not manage risks at the same time? Is there something additional it provides to the risk management area other than reveiwing internal controls and compliance with regulations?
Kim Smith says
Financial internal control is just one area of risk management. Aspects of business risk management would basically involve internal audit looking at all significant business risks (which are not examinable in AA) and whether management has controls in place to ensure that the risks that the business is taking on is in keeping with its risk appetite so the business is not exposed to risks that may cause it to fail. Internal audit does not IMPLEMENT policies and procedures but reviews, tests and monitors them – so will make recommendations to management/TCWG – but it will be up to management/TCWG to implement those recommendations.
Angel786 says
Sir are these video’s is update for September 2020 exam
gadhavi says
i am confuse in icq and iceq
Kim Smith says
The distinction is touched on on page 68 of the notes but is not important for exam purposes – only questionnaires in general are now examinable (rather than ICQs and ICEQs specifically).
chisrar says
can i get these Slides Please ?
Kim Smith says
No, they are not downloadable
ifrah123 says
I’m confused if Re calculating and re-performance is a Test of Control or a substantive?? kindly please clarify….
Ken Garrett says
Both.
If you are testing that a control such as monthly bank reconciliatilns is taking place, you have to recalculate/reperform at least one to ensure it is done correctly and that the control is effective.
At year end you would also reperform/recalculate the bank rec to give substantive evidence that the cash balance is correct.
Similarly, enquiry/confirmation, inspection and observation can all be used for tests of control anf for substantive tests. Analytical procedures can be used only for substantive tests.
lfede09 says
Good Morning,
I do not really understand the difference between reperformance and recalculate in practice. I think they are synonyms.
If I reperform the bank reconciliation, I am recalculating it as well….no?
Thanks
farzeen says
excellent explanation 🙂 thank u
amritaj says
Very good lecture. Well explained:))
remaalia says
one of the best tutors
Julian says
Dear Sir
Who is to complete the questionnaires discussed at c.30min?
With thanks
Julian
Ken Garrett says
The auditor completes these.
shaafia says
Hello, I am a bit confused about one part of the lecture. When you talk about recording and assessing the accounting system, it is the auditor who is supposed to do this, right? Or is it done by the client and then checked by the auditor?
Ken Garrett says
The auditor has to do it.
The client might have notes and diagrams, but the auditor would use those only as a starting point. The system has to be independently verified by the auditor then tests of controls will let the auditor see whether or not the system is workingas it should.
shaafia says
Understood!! thanks a lot for your prompt reply!!! 🙂
wasiq8989 says
Hi sir ,
Can u tell me plz in which CHAPTER of your f8 dec2015 notes , Tracing and Vouching concept that you have explained ?
Thanks
Mushahid says
Thanks. 🙂
zee says
Thanks alot 🙂