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Initial investment

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  • This topic has 12 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 2 years ago by AvatarJohn Moffat.
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  • September 15, 2023 at 6:13 am #692053
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    Sir for any investment appraisal technique(EXCEPT FOR ROCE) will we include sunk or committed cost in initial investment value?

    September 15, 2023 at 6:14 am #692054
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    For example if research cost of 8000 has been incurred, it this included in initial investment?

    September 15, 2023 at 9:42 pm #692095
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    First may I start by saying that all 3 of your questions can be answered by watching our free lectures.
    They cover everything needed to pass the paper well.

    ‘Golden Rule’ which states that to be included in a cash flow table an item must be a future, incremental cash flow.

    Irrelevant items to look out for are sunk costs such as amounts already spent on research and apportioned or allocated fixed costs.

    Equally all financing costs should be ignored as the cost of financing is accounted for in the discount rate used.

    September 15, 2023 at 9:47 pm #692097
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    First may I start by saying that all 3 of your questions can be answered by watching our free lectures.
    They cover everything needed to pass the paper well.

    ‘Golden Rule’ which states that to be included in a cash flow table an item must be a future, incremental cash flow.

    Irrelevant items to look out for are sunk costs such as amounts already spent on research and apportioned or allocated fixed costs.

    Equally all financing costs should be ignored as the cost of financing is accounted for in the discount rate used.

    September 16, 2023 at 4:31 am #692100
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    So sir if we use an already purchased machinery in a new project,then the initial investment can be possibly zero as the machine already purchased will be a sunk cost

    September 16, 2023 at 8:31 am #692103
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    First may I start by saying that all 3 of your questions can be answered by watching our free lectures.
    They cover everything needed to pass the paper well.

    So no the investment appraisal is usually about seeing whether buying the asset gives a positive return.

    You have your PM head on!!

    September 16, 2023 at 8:58 am #692108
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    Sir i am sorry i didn’t get it….if we are given a question where
    A machine A of 50000 is to be purchased for a project
    A machine B of 5000 as already been purchased 2-3 years ago and is to be used in the same project
    The initial investment will be only 50000…right?

    September 17, 2023 at 10:01 am #692136
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    No. It depends what would be done with Machine B if they didn’t go ahead with the new project.

    Presumably they would either sell Machine B (in which case we would include the lost sale proceeds) or it is earning money which would lost in the future (in which case we would include the lost future earnings).

    September 17, 2023 at 10:21 am #692139
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    Yes i got that but in case no other information is given the initial investment will NOT include it right?

    September 17, 2023 at 10:27 am #692141
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    For example
    This is an already purchased machine of 50000 and it is to be used in a new project….the scrap is going to be nil
    In this case the initial investment can be possibly zero right in case of no other information as the already purchased machine is a sunk cost?

    September 17, 2023 at 4:05 pm #692151
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    The 50,000 itself is a sunk cost and is not relevant.

    It is not realistic that it should have a current sale value of zero and yet be used for a new project. If it is capable of being used in a new project then it must be capable of earning money if the new project was not undertaken, or alternatively it must have a sale value (if it is worth nothing then it must be useless and therefore would not be used for the new project unless they were going to spend money repairing it, in which case the money to be spent would be relevant).

    This could not be the case in real life and certainly not in exam questions either.

    September 17, 2023 at 5:53 pm #692155
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    Okay a little change
    An already purchased machinery of 50000
    Scrap value 20000
    Used in a project
    For this particular project only 20000 Will be relevant right?

    September 18, 2023 at 6:42 am #692162
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    Yes.

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