1. avatar says

    Hello Mr. Little

    The lecture notes are different to the lecture so I am a bit lost when following example 2. For example, where did 53000 (remeasurement) come from?
    Also is there some information missing from the question in the course notes? eg additional actuarial information.

    many thanks

  2. Avatar of tejot says

    Sir Mike,

    Hope you are doing fine.

    I am aware that there is no more corridor approach and we are recognizing the losses and gains in there year of happening.

    However just wanted to reconfirm that instead of taking the total opening balance of FO on which we unroll the discount,we are taking the net amount i.e (FO-PO) which we call NIC. Is it right ? If yes why so, I understand that their will be no change as both the re measurement and IC go through PL.


  3. avatar says

    The lecture does not match the current lecture notes. My Jolanta question is not the same as the lecture video. Is there anything I should not be doing or doing extra as the question I have is shorter? Thank you, am a little confused.

  4. Avatar of questforknowledge says

    let me go straight to the point. what i am saying is this, in F7 you gave lectures and during your revision you covered a lot of past exam questions: P2 is diffrent. no revision. i dont know if it is a change of approach
    thank you

    • Avatar of MikeLittle says

      Ah! Now I understand! Sorry for being so slow. In fact, during the F7 lectures we go through NO past questions (possibly with the exception of questions 2 where there is not much to lecture and questions 3 where, after a brief lecture we apply the principles to some – not many – past questions)

      P2 is heavier with a lot more to cover in lectures and we still have only 5 days. Even that is reduced by a half day mock exam in the final afternoon. 4.5 days is not enough to lecture the syllabus, let alone enjoy the luxury of attempting past exam questions.

      In F7 I have worked through past exam questions and recorded them in my bedroom at home and I have never so far worked up the enthusiasm to do the same with the P2 past questions. Maybe, some time soon, I will find that enthusiasm but, trust me here, it is not likely to be in time for your December sitting

      So, with humble apologies, I must leave it to you to fight your way through those awful consolidation exercises ….

      ….and I apologise for not having understood your previous posts

      Should you come across any particular issues when you are practising, post again and I shall try to answer them as soon as I am able

  5. Avatar of questforknowledge says

    hi Mike i am just listening to a video on you tube on IAS 19 and the guy was saying that the usage of the 10 percent corridor is no longer acceptable: everything is taken to the statement of Comprehensive income. i dont when this lecture was recorded thus i would like you to clarify me if you can please

    • Avatar of MikeLittle says


      10% corridor is gone – I seem to remember that I have recorded an up-to-date version of this lecture. Not only has the corridor gone but so too have the UGLY accounts (now recognised as incomes or expenses in the year in which they occur)

      • Avatar of questforknowledge says

        thanks Mike for your timely response:
        but mike i would like to make this comment and i hope you will think about it. I must confess that before i started doing ACCA people used to say ACCA is difficult and that people start and leave it along the way. Mike the work you people have been putting up here has gone a long way to make ACCA look easy: You did did not only give us the confidence but you also made things look simple. I have always been telling people i meet who want to do ACCA to use opentuition because the lectures there are amazing. I am going in for my first level three paper this december and i have never failed any before thanks to the lectures and revision we get here. Sometimes we find it difficult to understand the texts but your lectures having been making things easy for us: I must say it has not only been the lectures but the revision as well. I dont think i would have been passsing ACCA exams without going through the past papers: this just tells how important the revision is. Mike your revision in F7 made F7 look simple. As i earlier said I am going in for my first professional courses and without the revision you are now making it look difficult

      • Avatar of MikeLittle says

        I was smiling all the way through your post …… until I reached the last 7 words!

        As I understand it, the video lecture is still being played despite the fact that the course notes have superseded the video and that point is made on numerous occasions in this thread.

        There will (probably) be no more video recordings – at least, not in the foreseeable future so we all will now have to rely on audio recordings and course notes. If I have not already recorded the “updated” Employee Benefit recording, then I’m sorry and I shall hopefully remember to do so this session. Unfortunately, that’s unlikely to happen in time for you doing the December 2013 exam.

        Ok, so no recording. But the course notes are up to date and the suggested solutions to the course notes examples are also up to date so you’re not entirely in the dark without a candle and facing an unknown vicious predator. Try to work through the “big” example (Jolanta?) and, if you come across another issue which you feel you can’t resolve, come back to me

      • Avatar of questforknowledge says

        you must have posted the right reply to the wrong post. i was talking the need for revising some past papers here: it increase our confidence before the exam:
        thank you

      • Avatar of MikeLittle says

        I cannot (having read your post again) see how I could possibly interpret your post as a question about the need for revising some past papers. I can agree that working through past exam questions will give you confidence before walking into that exam room but “As i earlier said I am going in for my first professional courses and without the revision you are now making it look difficult” does not seem to bear any resemblance to a question concerning revision of past exam papers!

        However …. should you still need any help, please do post again! I’m always happy to give you the best of my limited wisdom :-)

  6. avatar says

    Greetings Mike,

    I seemed to be following employee benefits fairly well up until the course notes and the lectures went their own separate ways. I hope you will rescue us from all the confusion by updating the Lecture Video for the ‘not so far’ June 2013 exams.

    PS: You are a life saver and a LEGEND!

    • avatar says

      i worked out this solution based on the layout in BPP. Mike or someone else maybe able to confirm if correct or not?

      PV OF FO
      2009opening 930,000
      interest (7% * 930000) 65,100
      CSC 100,000
      BENEFITS PAID (140,000)
      ACTUARIAL CLOSING 1,046,000
      2010 PSC 60,000
      CSC 105,000
      BENEFITS PAID (165,000)
      interest (8% * 1046000+60000) 88,480
      ACTUARIAL CLOSING 1,135,000

      FV OF PA
      2009 OPENING 900,000
      CONTRIBUTIONS 102,000
      BENEFITS PAID (140,000)
      INTEREST (7% * 900000) 63,000
      2010 CONTRIBUTIONS 103,000
      BENEFITS PAID (165,000)
      INTEREST (8% * 915000) 73,200

      CSC 100,000
      PSC –
      NET INTEREST (65100-63000) 2,100
      2009 TOTAL P&L 102,100

      LOSS ON FO (90,900)
      LOSS ON PA (10,000)
      2009 Total (100,900)

      CSC 105,000
      PSC 60,000
      NET INTEREST (88480-73200) 15,280
      2010 TOTAL P&L 180,280

      LOSS ON FO (520)
      GAIN ON PA 13,800
      2010 Total 13,280

      BALANCE SHEET 2010 2009

      PV OF FO 1,135,000 1,046,000
      FV OF PA (940,000) (915,000)
      NET ASSET 195,000 131,000

  7. avatar says

    Hi Mike,

    The example 2 illustrated in the video was not the same the as the lecture note for June 2013. Kindly advise whether the new version will be uploaded to reflect the solution for the new example 2 question. Thanks

  8. avatar says

    I refer to the printed solution and noted for year 2, that the additional obligation is not considered in the net interest calculation. Interest is (1046-915)*8% instead of (1046+60-915)*8%. Is this correct and why is the additional obligation not considered for the roll up in 2010? Many thanks for an answer in advance.

    • Avatar of MikeLittle says

      @ojss, Ok, ok! I am aware that the answer is now out of date – see my reply to the post from two strings ago. The net interest cost should be calculated on the net figure of “brought forward obligation + 60,000 – brought forward plan assets.

      There’s now no Expected Return on Plan Assets, no 10% corridor, no Re-measurements.

      Yes, I know! I have to re-record. But that’s not going to happen in time for the December 2012 exams. Sorry

      • avatar says

        @MikeLittle, sorry that I bothered you. I understood that the recording is outdated. But I thought that you said that the course notes are up to date and reflect the changes. Thats why I asked, refering only to the notes.

        Many thanks for the quick answer.

      • Avatar of MikeLittle says

        @ojss, Hi

        I think the course notes ARE up to date – though I may have missed in the course notes the increase of 60,000 at the start of the year. Certainly the course notes have eliminated the 10% corridor and show the NET interest cost.

      • avatar says

        I dont understand how is that 60 split? How do you know that 20 relates to PSCFE and 40 to PSCCE. what indications are there given what calculation did you use

  9. Avatar of 1686844 says

    The old method (with 10% corridor and deferring past service cost) is still valid for 2012. But in fact many companies chose to apply the changes in IAS 19 earlier (especially when this application lead to an increase in retained earnings and/or in equity).
    In my country, we have problems with the treatment of deferred taxation on these remeasurements (unrealised actuarial gains and losses). We had accrued in the past deferred tax on them, but now it is not clear, whether and how, they could be deducted for tax purpose because their amount is restated and transferred as an equity component. Does someone have the same problem?

    • avatar says

      @najihnw, Apparently there is an amendment to IAS 19 which no longer allows the usage of the “corridor” method, however the actuarial gains and losses are to be recognised in the period incurred. So there are no longer any “unrecognised gains/losses”. I guess the lecture doesn’t reflect that!

  10. Avatar of judi says

    I’m sure that 30 = 930-900 as now we should account net interes cost which is effected by multiplying the NET surplus/deficit in the plan at the beginning of the period by the rate

    • avatar says

      @oandrienko, I dont think so am puzzled too becase the question in the notes has been revised so I have completely disregarded and used the answer at the back of the notes however I havent got a clue how the numbers in the answers we put together for instance interset was on $30000 , where did the number come from??? Hopefully Mike will be able to do an updated lecture fingers crossed

      • Avatar of judi says

        @sukiyo0824, I’m sure that 30 = 930-900 as now we should account net interes cost which is effected by multiplying the NET surplus/deficit in the plan at the beginning of the period by the rate

      • Avatar of MikeLittle says

        @judi, The revision to IAS 19 has not been incorporated into recorded lectures. The revisions HAVE been reflected in the course notes and the notes therefore ARE applicable for December 2012 ( as they were also for June 2012 )

  11. avatar says

    Can anyone tell me what the 35 for past service costs for current employees is carried forward as? Whats the double entry:

    Credit PVof FO – 60 (SOFP)
    Debit PSC FE – 20 (I/S)
    Debit PSC CE – 5 (I/S)
    Debit what???

  12. avatar says

    hey bro outsatndng is 35 not 45 :) recalculate it 20plus 5=25
    25=60 which is total cost and remaining deffered past sevice cost is 35 which will be vested after 7 years hope you got youranswer

  13. Avatar of olukemisola says

    Hello Mr Little. Thanks for a wonderful lecture.

    I have a question. In recognising the past service costs, what accounting entries were passed. My tots are

    Dr Expense – 20,000 (for retired empees)
    Dr Expense – 5,000 (for the existing empee’s one year portion of remaning pension earning life) – assumed
    Cr Defined benefit obligation(DBO) – 60,000 (total past service cost)

    outstanbding – 45
    Where does the rst of the debit go?

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