#### Idle Time Variances: Please note that this lecture relates to Chapter 14 of the Course Notes and not Chapter 13 as stated in the lecture.The example is on page 84.

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sunday says

Good one but the work rate and pay rate seems confusing. I know you will advice that I should accept it like that.

Hassaanah says

hi very good lecture

but am just a little confused i know this formula for labour variances:

actual hour *actual rate = a

50020

rate variance = b-a= 46440-50020 =3580(A)

actual hour * standard rate = b

7740 * 6 =46440

efficiency variance = c-b= 45600-46440=840(A)

standard hour *std rate = c

7600 * 6 =45600

can you check my error and tell me plz?

when i put actual hour=8200 my effeciency variance change plz tell me as soon as possible what is my error?

thnx for the lecture

John Moffat says

I am sorry, but without knowing the figures in the question it is not possible for me to check

Hassaanah says

QUESTION

A company budgets that each unit will take 7.6 hours to make.

It budgets on paying workers at the rate of $5.70 per hour,and that 5% of the hours paid for will be idle.

The actual results(for production of 1000 units)are:

Hours paid : 8200 hours at a cost of $50020

Hours worked: 7740 hours

required:

the total variance into rate of pay , idle time ,and efficiency variances

John Moffat says

The rate variance is (8200 x 5.70) – 500020 = 3280 (A)

The efficiency variance is (7740 – (1000 x 7.6)) x 6 = 840 (A)

The excess idle time variance is ((8200 – 7740) – (5% x 8200)) x 6 = 300 (A)

Hassaanah says

i just want to know why my formula do not get the same answer please tell me error

Hassaanah says

is the formula i used correct or i made an error because i always use this formula and get the right answer but for this one i don’t get it right why?

John Moffat says

I do not use formula – you should be able to check yourself where you went wrong.

Hassaanah says

okay thanks i think i will use your way to make sure my answer will be right in exams tomorrow..

thanks once more for all the lecture

shadir says

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Even we know the scenario and how to do a particular question, I’m finding it difficult to attempt exam questions.

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Thanks & regards.

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anam says

Hi, can we simply calculate labour cost p.u in standard cost card…… by adding 5% of 7.6 (7.6+0.38=7.98 hrs) it also almost gives right ans i.e 8 hrs

John Moffat says

Sorry, but no! It might nearly give the right answer, but it is not completely correct.

Killqa says

Dear sir, I need greater clarity of the difference between work rate and pay rate and the when to use.

Many thanks!

John Moffat says

The pay rate is the actual rate that they pay per hour.

The work rate is the effective cost per working hour.

work rate = pay rate x std hour paid per unit / std hours worked per unit.

You use the pay rate when calculating the rate of pay variance

You use the work rate when calculating the efficiency variance and the excess idle time variance.

Carmel says

Hi John,

Sorry to ‘labour’ the point (no pun intended!) but I’m not clear why the work rate was not required in Chapter 13 Example 1 when we worked out the Idle Time variance and Efficiency variance but it was required for Example 5, chapter 14.

And..how will we know the difference in the exam?

Thanks

Carmel

John Moffat says

The reason is that in the first example no idea time was budgeted for (and therefore all of the idle time was a variance and the ‘work rate’ was the same as the ‘pay rate’.

In the second example, idle time was budgeted for and therefore we expected the working hours to cost more than the pay rate.

In the exam, you just have to check whether or not idle time was budgeted for.

Gurpreet says

Hello , idle time is deleted in the new syllabus of June 2013. Please advice.

robbieacca1 says

gutted, just watched it!

John Moffat says

Just as well you watched it!!

Be ungutted and read my comment below

robbieacca1 says

Cheers, thanks. Great resource btw

John Moffat says

Idle time is still examinable, as are all the ‘basic’ variances.

They are assumed knowledge from Paper F2 and can still be asked.

There will certainly not be a full question on basic F2 variances, but any of them may still be asked.

The Course Notes make this very clear (as has the examiner).

Gurpreet says

Thanks

harryamoatey says

pls i want to know what if the extra idle time was favorable, will u still cost it at the work rate.

nesherina says

understandable lecture. thanks much.

Miss A.. says

Dear Sir, in the above example we have used work rate while calculating labour idle time variance.But what to do if we are not given work of rate or we don’t have enough information in the question to calculate it.Would then we use pay rate while calculating labour idle time variance??

Miss A.. says

@Miss A.., work rate* , NOT work of rate

John Moffat says

@Miss A.., You will be given enough information in the question to be able to calculate the ‘work rate’.

riannaramrick says

Nice

shab2312 says

Very very helpful! Thanks OT

accamani says

thank you very much.it was really fruitful to me.thanks once again.

manyerere27 says

i can’t see the lecture, what shall i do