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hlony says

Can you please sir help on how to forecast sales for say 2005 quater 3 with the averages we have calculated.

John Moffat says

As you will have read (in the first paragraph of the notes that go with the lectures), calculations involving time series will no longer be asked in Paper F5 (it is tested in Paper F2). For F5 you only need to be aware of the idea.

However, to forecast, you would forecast the trend (either using a graph, or high low, or regression) and then adjust the trend forecast by the average seasonal variation.

hlony says

I thank you Sir!!

Abosede says

Is this going to come out in June 2015

John Moffat says

I have absolutely no idea – I do not write the exam!!

You have presumably read the first paragraph of the chapter in the free Lecture Notes (because there is no point in watching the lectures without the lecture notes in front of you) and you will therefore know that the examiner has said that she will not ask calculations. The most she can expect is an understanding of the idea (it is assumed knowledge from Paper F2).

Satiam says

You rock John… I love your lectures

Jonathan says

This december will be the sixth time i will sit for F5 and it is the first time I understand Time Series. Thanks John

VictoriaS says

I am currently using BPPs new study text for dec… time series is not in the text.. will time serious still be tested for dec sitting?

VictoriaS says

time series**

John Moffat says

If you read at the introductory paragraph of the chapter in our Course Notes on Quanititative Techniques (which are to be used with this lecture) it explains that Time Series (and Regression Analysis) are assumed knowledge from Paper F2.

The examiner has said that she will not ask calculations, but you are expected simply to be aware of the idea.

We show the calculations just to make sense of the idea, but again you cannot be asked calculations in the exam.

VictoriaS says

Sorry for the trouble, I had not looked at the class notes as yet… will download ASAP… thank you for the Clarification

John Moffat says

No problem

hlony says

Please make me understand the logic here when calculating seasonal variation,are subtracting actual from the trend or the trend from the actual?

Thanks in advance

John Moffat says

It is actual minus trend.

However, as it states clearly in the notes, you will not be asked arithmetic on time series analysis.

Chris says

Hi John,

I hope you are well… It’s been a long time since studying this sort of material at school. I just wanted you to clarify if you may for me please.

You said partway through the lecture that you would need to calculate the moving average and then the centered average/trend if its a 4 quarter period. However, if it was a three part period, the trend would already be calculated.

I am somewhat confused. No doubt it is very basic but your help would be much appreciated.

I am now going back to look at F2 – Regression Analysis but as mentioned, your help would be great.

Thank you.

Chris.

John Moffat says

The reason is the the middle of 1, 2, 3, 4 is in between 2 and 4. However the middle of 1, 2, 3 is 3.

I am happy to explain more, but I do not want to waste your time. As it says in the Course Notes, in Paper F5 you cannot be expected to do calculations. All that is expected is that you are aware of the idea (and even asking that is not very likely in Paper F5).

Chris says

Hi John, it’s me again π

I still don’t understand this… Are you able to clarify again… Sorry

John Moffat says

Think about it this way. Quarter 1 is Jan, Feb, Mar. Quarter 2 is Apr, May, Jun, and so on. Assume the sales each month are rising steadily.

When we calculate the average quarterly sales, we add up the four quarters and divide by 4. This tells us what the sales would be for 3 months in the middle of the year (earlier in the year will be lower, and later in the year will be higher). However the very middle three months of the year will be June, July and August (5 months before and 5 months after – these 3 are in the middle). So……we cannot compare these three months with the actual sales for any of the individual quarters – none of the quarters I listed in the first sentence covers Jun, July, August. That is why we need to take a second average.

(Although I am happy to answer about this, do please remember what I wrote earlier – you cannot now be asked calculation questions on time series in F5. They are only asked in F2.)

Chris says

Thanks John… I Appreciate it’s not asked but better to understand than just simply nod head and quickly turn over the page

Enjoy your evening.

Best wishes.

Chris.

John Moffat says

Enjoy your evening also

fabiangrey says

What do you mean by:

“Forecast the Trend, Adjust by reevant average seasonal variation”?

John Moffat says

The trend is the basic pattern (without the seasonal variation).

You can forecast this, but the actual forecast will be higher or lower than the trend because of the seasonal variation.

So you are being asked to forecast the trend, and then to adjust it (higher or lower) to account for the seasonal variation.

printhan says

proportional (multiplicative) model still in the syllabus??

John Moffat says

Yes – it is assumed knowledge from Paper F5.

BUT read what it says in the Course Notes – you will not be asked calculations. You are only expected to understand the principles.

Killqa says

Thanks for the lecture but I still have some doubts on the theory behind it. I get the calculation part but at the end where you mentioned that adding the average of the season variation equals zero, what does that means? Very confused about the theory aspect. It would be great if you could explained the link between moving average, centered average and how the average seasonal variation correlate, thanks!

John Moffat says

Before I answer, do realise that (as it says in the Course Notes) that you will not be asked for detailed calculations on time series in F5. You are only expected to be aware of the idea, because it is all revision from Paper F2 (where it was examined in detail). Also, there is no theory involved. You might be asked as a small part of a question to discuss, but there is no theory – discussion is not theory.

All we are trying to do is estimate what the sales per quarter would have been if there was no seasonality.

You say that you are happy with the arithmetic, and so you will understand that the moving average is simply calculating the average sales per quarter for each successive 12 months. Because of the seasonality, some quarters are higher and some lower, but by calculating the average we are ‘cancelling’ or removing the seasonality.

The problem is, that we want to know what the sales per quarter would have been without the seasonality.

Just suppose there was no seasonality and that they have been increasing steadily each quarter.

Suppose that (quarter by quarter) they were 10, 20, 30 and 40 for each of the first four quarters. We could work out the average per quarter by adding and dividing by 4 and we would get 25. However, this would not correspond with any one quarter – it would be sort of in the very middle of the year.

The same is happening with the moving averages – each average does not correspond to any one quarter.

To make it correspond, we the took the averages of the averages – the centred average – and now the averages do correspond to each quarter. So what we have is an estimate of what the sales per quarter would have been if there was not seasonality – and as we would expect, the pattern (the trend) is a lot smoother and easier to forecast into the future.

The actual sales per quarter are different from the trend – some quarters are higher and some are lower. The differences are due to the seasonality and we call the differences the seasonal variations. Things are not perfect and so some quarterly variations are bigger than others – that is why we calculate the average seasonal variation.

As so why they should add up to zero. Think about this – if you take the average of 10 and 20 you get 15. 10 is 5 below the average and 20 is 5 above the average. The average of those differences ((+5 + -5) / 2) is zero. The same thing is happening with the seasonal variations – because they are differences from an average (some higher and some lower) the averages of these differences should be zero.

Joel Changa says

@johnmoffat thank you Sir for the lectures, they were Great……….i highly appreciate the ares you guys outline (Regression Analysis ; Time Series) that wouldn’t be examinable, as with this this time spent for learning these areas could be spent else-where…….i also acknowledge the fact that i need to have an idea of these aspects.

Thanks John.

faith5 says

Since this time series analysis is not in the syllabus, should I forget about? I don’t really like what happened in the last December questions on the areas of concentration and the rest given.

Thank you

John Moffat says

Time series is still examinable because it is assumed knowledge from Paper F2.

However the examiner will not ask for any calculations. It is unlikely that anything will be asked, but you are expected to know the idea.

bondservant says

Please be aware that Time Series is no longer in the syllabus

abodinho says

It has been removed from the syllabus as it will be assumed knowledge from F2 syllabus, so it is still examinable.

asifrox says

amazing π made it so easy π

chiclarence says

hello i have problem with the question that came in the June 2012 exam. i have problems with this bit

The average seasonal variations can now be calculated to see whether any adjustment to the percentages is required, since

they must be 4β’0 in total.

Since the averages total 4β’0057, each one needs to be reduced by 0β’0016

Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4

2010 0β’9080 1β’0820

2011 1β’1228 0β’8989 0β’9032 1β’0777

2012 1β’1256 0β’8932

Total 2β’2484 1β’7921 1β’8112 2β’1597

βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ

Average 1β’1242 0β’8960 0β’9056 1β’0799 4β’0057

βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ

Rounded 1β’1228 0β’8946 0β’9042 1β’0785 4β’0001

The difference of 0β’0001 is due to rounding and can be ignored.

The average trend of the centred moving averages is (1,287β’5 β 1,068β’75)/5 = 43,750 units.

Therefore forecast centred moving average for Q3 in 2012 = 1,287,500 + 43,750 = 1,331,250.

Adjusted for seasonal variation: 1,331,250 x 0β’9042 = 1,203,716β’25 units.

Forecast centred moving average for Q4 of 2012 = 1,287,500 + (2 x 43,750) = 1,375,000.

Adjusted for seasonal variation = 1,375,000 x 1β’0785 = 1,482,937β’5 units.

can you help explain it to me please

John Moffat says

@chiclarence, I am not sure which bit you are having problems with.

Are you happy with the way that the seasonal variations have been calculated?

In each case it is actual divided by the trend.

Since some variations are more than 1 and some are less than 1, they should add up to 4. They never will because the first two seasons and last two seasons were used in calculating the trend, but could not be used in calculating the seasonal variations.

So, because the total is not 4 then have all be adjusted by one quarter of the difference so that they do add up to 4.

The trend has been forecast assuming it is linear. (The trend is the centred moving average). So because on average it has increased by 43,750 the future forecasts have been made by adding on 43,750 each quarter.

Because those are forecasts of the trend, it is then necessary to adjust by the seasonal variation to arrive at a final forecast. Since on average the seasonal variation for quarter 3 is 0.9056, the actual forecast is 0.9056 of the trend forecast.

Have you watched my lecture on time series?

chiclarence says

@johnmoffat, jes John i have watched the video and i am comfortable with the way the average seasonal variations have been calculcated: i know the actual has to be divided by the trend in the multiplicative model but i am not comfortabel with this

Since the averages total 4β’0057, each one needs to be reduced by 0β’0016

where is the 0.0016 from

secondly i dont understand this bit

Total 2β’2484 1β’7921 1β’8112 2β’1597

βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ

Average 1β’1242 0β’8960 0β’9056 1β’0799 4β’0057

βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ βββββββ

Rounded 1β’1228 0β’8946 0β’9042 1β’0785 4β’0001

precise ly i dont understand how the rounded figurs came from:

also theis line

The average trend of the centred moving averages is (1,287β’5 β 1,068β’75)/5 = 43,750 units.

Therefore forecast centred moving average for Q3 in 2012 = 1,287,500 + 43,750 = 1,331,250.

where is the (1287.5-1.068.75)/5 from and the figure of 1287500 is for which quarter that is being adjusted

cheers

John Moffat says

@chiclarence, Since the averages total 0.0057 more than they should do, each of them has been reduced by one quarter of this. (0.0057 /4 = .0014). The 0.0016 is a typing error – if you check you will see that in fact each of them has been reduced by 0.0014.

The first centred moving average (trend) in the question is 1068.75 and the last one is 1287.5. So over 5 quarters it has increased by 1287.5 – 1068.75 = 218.75. Since this os over 5 quarters, the average increase per quarter is 218.75 / 5 = 43.75 (or 43,750).

For forecasting it is assumed therefore that it continues to increase by 43.75 per quarter, as explained in my previous answer.

acuteacca says

is this lecture available on youtube channel??

admin says

No it is not

MrMac says

Could you not just work out the moving average over 3 quarters instead of 4 and then it’s already centred albeit with slightly different figures?

It’s still a consistently upward trend although it’s not quite so smooth.

thanks

John Moffat says

@andreasmacfarlane, No. The reason is that the seasonality is occurring over a year, and so it is necessary to take the averages over a twelve month period each time.

MrMac says

@johnmoffat, Thanks John. That makes sense now.

mdmkd says

Hello,

I have a question about example2 of the Course notes(page 61, chapter12). We divide the number of units by 100 just to be easier to make the calculations, but why do we divide the costs by 1000 and not by 100(the answer is on page 118)?

Thanks.

John Moffat says

@mdmkd, It does not matter. You do not have to divide the costs and the units by the same number. All that matters is that you divide all the units by the same number; and that you divide all the costs by the same number.

anatuly007 says

i couldnt find consolidation lecture!!!!!!!!help me to find the link plz

John Moffat says

@anatuly007, Consolidations are not in Paper F5

Depending on which accounting paper you are taking, you should look at the F3 pages or the F7 pages.

riannaramrick says

Once again exquisite.

eley says

Can i ask a question please? why in the multiplicative model of average seasonal variations the figures don’t have a + or – sign in front of them please? for eg in the additive model when we deducted trend from sales, if trend was higher than that had a – sign.

John Moffat says

@eley, It is because the multiplicative method is showing the actual as a percent of trend.

If the actual is less than the trend then it will be less than 100% (not negative)

If the actual is more than the trend then it will be more than 100% (not positive),

qaimmohsin says

Nice one and a very amazing way of explanation

mansikhusi says

I have the same problem locating F2 Regression Analysis ! can anyone help to get the name of the lecture or please post link here??

Thanks.

Et says

@mansikhusi, If I am not late to reply for your query ,Regression Analysis Leture is found in ACCA F2 Chapter 17 Semi- Variable Costs(Business Mathematics) .Very interesting lecture by John Moffat.

Best of Luck

Evgenia says

@Et, hello! and in which particular lecture of chapter 17 F2? there are 4 videos there.. or is that better to study all 4 lectures?

thank you in advance

best wishes for the exam!

Et says

@Evgenia, Come on Evgenia …. If I were you I would have given it a glance before I post a query. To my knowledge all 4 are important(really are) as they are also in F5 syllabus.High low,Regression analysis( which is in part C) and Time Series.

I Hope this helps

sheila01 says

I cant locate the F2 Regression Analysis lecture that you recommended, can you advise what the name of this lecture is?

Et says

@sheila01, If I am not late to reply for your query ,Regression Analysis Leture is found in ACCA F2 Chapter 17 Semi- Variable Costs(Business Mathematics) .Very interesting lecture by John Moffat.

Best of Luck

shaheryar88 says

Thanx alot

sardarrizwan says

Thanx Alot

simukayi156 says

I enjoyed the lecture. Well taken

abujaan says

very comprehensive